cruizerdave wrote:People tend to lash out at you if you mention that you don't like the Michael Bay Transformer films for their stupid plots, idiotic characters, racism and general brainlessness.
Now I just happened to be looking at Rottentomatoes this morning and found something interesting ...
Transformers - 57%
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - 19%
Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 36%
Transformers: Age of Extinction - 17%
Star Wars Episode I - 57%
Star Wars Episode II - 67%
Star Wars Episode III - 80%
So this means that the very best Transformers film is tied with the Phantom Menace as far as response from film reviewers.
cruizerdave wrote:People tend to lash out at you if you mention that you don't like the Michael Bay Transformer films for their stupid plots, idiotic characters, racism and general brainlessness.
Now I just happened to be looking at Rottentomatoes this morning and found something interesting ...
Transformers - 57%
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - 19%
Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 36%
Transformers: Age of Extinction - 17%
Star Wars Episode I - 57%
Star Wars Episode II - 67%
Star Wars Episode III - 80%
So this means that the very best Transformers film is tied with the Phantom Menace as far as response from film reviewers.
ZeroWolf wrote:I forget how rottentomatoes works, does it go by user submitted reviews or critics from other websites, or does it do both? My question is this however, what's the purpose of this thread? Are you trying to get people on board with your opinion about the movies being bad?
cruizerdave wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I forget how rottentomatoes works, does it go by user submitted reviews or critics from other websites, or does it do both? My question is this however, what's the purpose of this thread? Are you trying to get people on board with your opinion about the movies being bad?
Nothing like that. I just think it's interesting. You can say "The Phantom Menace sucks" and people will jump right on board with you.
But point out that Revenge of the Fallen was really terribly written, and people get all upset.
Just trying to solicit some discussion, not trying to change any minds.
Noideaforaname wrote:Pfft, you can't measure a movie's quality by reviews, you need to use ticket sales!
cruizerdave wrote:People tend to lash out at you if you mention that you don't like the Michael Bay Transformer films for their stupid plots, idiotic characters, racism and general brainlessness.
Now I just happened to be looking at Rottentomatoes this morning and found something interesting ...
Transformers - 57%
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - 19%
Transformers: Dark of the Moon - 36%
Transformers: Age of Extinction - 17%
Star Wars Episode I - 57%
Star Wars Episode II - 67%
Star Wars Episode III - 80%
So this means that the very best Transformers film is tied with the Phantom Menace as far as response from film reviewers.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
That's sarcasm right? Like, that has to be sarcasm...I may like those movies well enough but they have plenty of all 4 of those things. You can't just blindly ignore something's flaws just to like it.
SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
That's sarcasm right? Like, that has to be sarcasm...I may like those movies well enough but they have plenty of all 4 of those things. You can't just blindly ignore something's flaws just to like it.
I'm not ignoring a damn thing.
JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
That's sarcasm right? Like, that has to be sarcasm...I may like those movies well enough but they have plenty of all 4 of those things. You can't just blindly ignore something's flaws just to like it.
I'm not ignoring a damn thing.
So absolutely no racist charicatures, no gaping plotholes, no overall lack of thought in story and characterization? I wish I saw a Transformers movie with none of that but I didn't. I wanna watch the one you saw.
SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
That's sarcasm right? Like, that has to be sarcasm...I may like those movies well enough but they have plenty of all 4 of those things. You can't just blindly ignore something's flaws just to like it.
I'm not ignoring a damn thing.
So absolutely no racist charicatures, no gaping plotholes, no overall lack of thought in story and characterization? I wish I saw a Transformers movie with none of that but I didn't. I wanna watch the one you saw.
Nobody exhibited any racist tenancies in any of the movies until Attanger in AOE, when he was prejudice against the Cybertronians. There are no blot holes. And all the stories felt like they were well thought out enough, to me.
JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
That's sarcasm right? Like, that has to be sarcasm...I may like those movies well enough but they have plenty of all 4 of those things. You can't just blindly ignore something's flaws just to like it.
I'm not ignoring a damn thing.
So absolutely no racist charicatures, no gaping plotholes, no overall lack of thought in story and characterization? I wish I saw a Transformers movie with none of that but I didn't. I wanna watch the one you saw.
Nobody exhibited any racist tenancies in any of the movies until Attanger in AOE, when he was prejudice against the Cybertronians. There are no blot holes. And all the stories felt like they were well thought out enough, to me.
"No racist tendencies"
(Also in the first film Jazz is the only Autobot "coded" black and he is also the only to die, and gets the least lines. Just some extra racism for you)
"No plotholes"
http://movieplotholes.com/transformers- ... holes.html
http://movieplotholes.com/transformers- ... -moon.html
http://www.movieplotholes.com/transform ... holes.html
No really did we watch the same movie series.
SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
That's sarcasm right? Like, that has to be sarcasm...I may like those movies well enough but they have plenty of all 4 of those things. You can't just blindly ignore something's flaws just to like it.
I'm not ignoring a damn thing.
So absolutely no racist charicatures, no gaping plotholes, no overall lack of thought in story and characterization? I wish I saw a Transformers movie with none of that but I didn't. I wanna watch the one you saw.
Nobody exhibited any racist tenancies in any of the movies until Attanger in AOE, when he was prejudice against the Cybertronians. There are no blot holes. And all the stories felt like they were well thought out enough, to me.
"No racist tendencies"
(Also in the first film Jazz is the only Autobot "coded" black and he is also the only to die, and gets the least lines. Just some extra racism for you)
"No plotholes"
http://movieplotholes.com/transformers- ... holes.html
http://movieplotholes.com/transformers- ... -moon.html
http://www.movieplotholes.com/transform ... holes.html
No really did we watch the same movie series.
There's a lot wrong with all of this. But it'll have to wait until tomorrow. I'll just say this for now; Just because Mudflap and Skids couldn't read, have gold teeth, and spoke slang doesn't make them black? By your logic, black people are the only people ever who can have all of those characteristics at once. And remember, Wheelie, Bumblebee, nor any of the other Autobots could read it, either. I guess they must have been black, too.
cruizerdave wrote:People tend to lash out at you if you mention that you don't like the Michael Bay Transformer films for their stupid plots, idiotic characters, racism and general brainlessness.
ZeroWolf wrote:cruizerdave wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I forget how rottentomatoes works, does it go by user submitted reviews or critics from other websites, or does it do both? My question is this however, what's the purpose of this thread? Are you trying to get people on board with your opinion about the movies being bad?
Nothing like that. I just think it's interesting. You can say "The Phantom Menace sucks" and people will jump right on board with you.
But point out that Revenge of the Fallen was really terribly written, and people get all upset.
Just trying to solicit some discussion, not trying to change any minds.
Fair enough, though some people also like Phantom Menace despite problems. Revenge of the Fallen though, I thought revenge of the Fallens writting problems were due to the writers strikes and Bay finished the writing.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:cruizerdave wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I forget how rottentomatoes works, does it go by user submitted reviews or critics from other websites, or does it do both? My question is this however, what's the purpose of this thread? Are you trying to get people on board with your opinion about the movies being bad?
Nothing like that. I just think it's interesting. You can say "The Phantom Menace sucks" and people will jump right on board with you.
But point out that Revenge of the Fallen was really terribly written, and people get all upset.
Just trying to solicit some discussion, not trying to change any minds.
Fair enough, though some people also like Phantom Menace despite problems. Revenge of the Fallen though, I thought revenge of the Fallens writting problems were due to the writers strikes and Bay finished the writing.
You, good sir, deserve a virtual cookie:
SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:JetOptimus23 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:
Too bad none of the movies even have stupid plots, racism, or brainlessness. Idiotic characters is debatable.
That's sarcasm right? Like, that has to be sarcasm...I may like those movies well enough but they have plenty of all 4 of those things. You can't just blindly ignore something's flaws just to like it.
I'm not ignoring a damn thing.
So absolutely no racist charicatures, no gaping plotholes, no overall lack of thought in story and characterization? I wish I saw a Transformers movie with none of that but I didn't. I wanna watch the one you saw.
Nobody exhibited any racist tenancies in any of the movies until Attanger in AOE, when he was prejudice against the Cybertronians. There are no blot holes. And all the stories felt like they were well thought out enough, to me.
"No racist tendencies"
(Also in the first film Jazz is the only Autobot "coded" black and he is also the only to die, and gets the least lines. Just some extra racism for you)
"No plotholes"
http://movieplotholes.com/transformers- ... holes.html
http://movieplotholes.com/transformers- ... -moon.html
http://www.movieplotholes.com/transform ... holes.html
No really did we watch the same movie series.
There's a lot wrong with all of this. But it'll have to wait until tomorrow. I'll just say this for now; Just because Mudflap and Skids couldn't read, have gold teeth, and spoke slang doesn't make them black? By your logic, black people are the only people ever who can have all of those characteristics at once. And remember, Wheelie, Bumblebee, nor any of the other Autobots could read it, either. I guess they must have been black, too.
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