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YoungPrime wrote:Tigerhawk7109 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
You know what? I’m done dealing with your bullshit. Get off this thread.
(Apologies for swearing, but I needed it.)
Wow... How do these trolls get away with this type of entitlement, false accusations and blatant rudeness...?
Brotherly and Sisterly love is not BS. I shouldn't even have to explain this. But I guess some people need negative attention more than no attention at all.
YoungPrime wrote:Tigerhawk7109 wrote:YoungPrime wrote:IHaveQuestions wrote:YoungPrime wrote:I've always considered Cybertronian relationships as simply being different levels of friends and them ranging no deeper than a brotherhood or sisterhood. And that's how it will stay... It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
It feels like Hollywood and Hasbro is at gunpoint while adhering to Pride month.
Besides having "TRANS" in the name itself should be enough to pacify LGBTQ from a scientifical level. And that's if they really even cared about Gay Robots in the first place.
My dude, there are tons of trans transfans. Take a look over at twitter. You make a product with wide appeal and a wide array of people will generally enjoy it. And as Chris McFeely put it in last year's "The Basics" video on romance, if these thinking feeling robots can feel enough hate for each other to wage war for millions of years, there's no reason they can't also feel love and affection as well.
Brotherhood and Sisterhood is a form of love.
This isn't the show POSE, but some of you are acting like those couples are the topic.
Meh, either way IDW's numbers haven't recovered since. So I guess all former IDW supporters are homophobic. The end.
You know what? I’m done dealing with your bullshit. Get off this thread.
(Apologies for swearing, but I needed it.)
Wow... How do these trolls get away with this type of entitlement, false accusations and blatant rudeness...?
Brotherly and Sisterly love is not BS. I shouldn't even have to explain this. But I guess some people need negative attention more than no attention at all.
ZeroWolf wrote:Let's all take a step back and calm down. No one is changing any minds by shouting at each other. All that's going to do is entrench positions.
Young Prime, you're right, there's nothing wrong with 'family love' but why should a fictional species stick with that? Do you say the same with every other alien species in other media? It may not be what you want to see, but you can only speak for yourself, the same for all of us fans.
BERSEKAEL wrote:If you like that crap, go watch hentai and leave transformers alone
PushYouDown wrote:...man...some of you guy are wild about what you want or don't want in your hobby.
It's hilarious that anyone would try to make the claim that these "robots" shouldn't have romantic feelings or relationships. I don't understand how someone could fundamentally not understand a thing they claim to love. It seems to come from a place of believing the Transformers are non-sentient, non-living automatons....which hasn't existed in any form of Transformers except pre-history Diaclone days?
They have personalities, they have wants and desires....of course they are going to form emotional bonds. We know this from EVERY continuity. We know they have romantic emotional bonds from every continuity.
PushYouDown wrote:I think the Ratchet/Drift relationship was supposed to play to the "they fight about everything!" trope. Things that might drive the other crazy about the other...they just eventually accept.
While Cyclonus/Tailgate is playing to the "gruff/gentle" trope.
PushYouDown wrote:I definitely agree with Drift/Ratchet....I know I didn't read everything that covered their interactions...so the reveal of them being a couple in the finale flash-forward made me go "Huh.....okay." I had assumed it was meant to be like a "they had a whole lifetime of adventures that we didn't see" ending.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Part of making good fiction is making characters relatable, and if the bulk of the main cast is robotic, humanisation is inevitable.
PushYouDown wrote:...man...some of you guy are wild about what you want or don't want in your hobby.
It's hilarious that anyone would try to make the claim that these "robots" shouldn't have romantic feelings or relationships. I don't understand how someone could fundamentally not understand a thing they claim to love. It seems to come from a place of believing the Transformers are non-sentient, non-living automatons
They have personalities, they have wants and desires....of course they are going to form emotional bonds. We know this from EVERY continuity. We know they have romantic emotional bonds from every continuity.
ZeroWolf wrote:Let's all take a step back and calm down. No one is changing any minds by shouting at each other. All that's going to do is entrench positions.
Young Prime, you're right, there's nothing wrong with 'family love' but why should a fictional species stick with that? Do you say the same with every other alien species in other media? It may not be what you want to see, but you can only speak for yourself, the same for all of us fans.
YoungPrime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Let's all take a step back and calm down. No one is changing any minds by shouting at each other. All that's going to do is entrench positions.
Young Prime, you're right, there's nothing wrong with 'family love' but why should a fictional species stick with that? Do you say the same with every other alien species in other media? It may not be what you want to see, but you can only speak for yourself, the same for all of us fans.
You're making this particular source material sound like Conjunx Endurae started back in 1984 with Sunbow or Marvel Comics and that I'm trying to argue against something from like 37 year ago...
The term wasn't brought up until 2016 and ended in 2018 (as far as MTMTE and Lost Light books go anyway). And no other TF project has brought it up since. So if you wish to retcon Ratchet and Drift being couple's back in 1984 then you and the thread starter will have a harder time lobbying for it them me and millions of other G1 fans will in disregarding it.
To clarify... IDW canon from 2016-2018 is all yours to enjoy when it comes to "Spark Mates". But there's so many other TF cartoons and comicbook lines made before, during and after that all TF fans DON'T have to adhere to this phase if they don't want to.
So if TF writers for future TF projects happen to see my initial post here. I hope they understand it better than some of the people in here did. I just think my opinions for this particular alien race makes better $olution$.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:WPushYouDown wrote:...man...some of you guy are wild about what you want or don't want in your hobby.
It's hilarious that anyone would try to make the claim that these "robots" shouldn't have romantic feelings or relationships. I don't understand how someone could fundamentally not understand a thing they claim to love. It seems to come from a place of believing the Transformers are non-sentient, non-living automatons
They have personalities, they have wants and desires....of course they are going to form emotional bonds. We know this from EVERY continuity. We know they have romantic emotional bonds from every continuity.
This would suggest that in lieu of relations/sexualising Transformers, that they would be bereft of personality altogether? Remove IDWverse from the equation. Now pick a random popular character and reflect on how that is usually the inverse within Transformers as a whole.
primalxconvoy wrote:YoungPrime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Let's all take a step back and calm down. No one is changing any minds by shouting at each other. All that's going to do is entrench positions.
Young Prime, you're right, there's nothing wrong with 'family love' but why should a fictional species stick with that? Do you say the same with every other alien species in other media? It may not be what you want to see, but you can only speak for yourself, the same for all of us fans.
You're making this particular source material sound like Conjunx Endurae started back in 1984 with Sunbow or Marvel Comics and that I'm trying to argue against something from like 37 year ago...
The term wasn't brought up until 2016 and ended in 2018 (as far as MTMTE and Lost Light books go anyway). And no other TF project has brought it up since. So if you wish to retcon Ratchet and Drift being couple's back in 1984 then you and the thread starter will have a harder time lobbying for it them me and millions of other G1 fans will in disregarding it.
To clarify... IDW canon from 2016-2018 is all yours to enjoy when it comes to "Spark Mates". But there's so many other TF cartoons and comicbook lines made before, during and after that all TF fans DON'T have to adhere to this phase if they don't want to.
So if TF writers for future TF projects happen to see my initial post here. I hope they understand it better than some of the people in here did. I just think my opinions for this particular alien race makes better $olution$.
At no point in this discussion has anyone, to my knowledge, implied that this aspect of the storyline somehow connected to "G1". It is, as far as I can see, a celebration of (implied) homosexual/alternative interpersonal relationships between TF characters, in the IDW comics.
However, in the wider scope of all TF interpersonal relationships/sexuality, these have been a part of TF lore since G1.
Examples include:
- Elita-1 and Optimus Prime (girlfriend/boyfriend)
- Chromia and Ironhide (implied girlfriend/boyfriend)
- Powerglide and human female ("The Girl Who Loved Powerglide")
- Seaspray and "Golden Lagoon alien girl" ("The Golden Lagoon")
- Sludge and human female (UK marvel comics)
- Arcee, Hotrod and Springer (implied love triangle)
- Arcee and Daniel (implied mother/son)
- G1 Pretender and giant alien Amazonian female (UK Marvel comics)
- G1 Tracks (implied, stereotypical image of a gay man)
- Arcee (feminist issues, UK Marvel comics).
I'm sure the list could go on.
SMH..... Since the initial top 5 couples list are all part of IDW which was all unquestionably based off of Generation One what the h3ll is there to imply???primalxconvoy wrote:YoungPrime wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Let's all take a step back and calm down. No one is changing any minds by shouting at each other. All that's going to do is entrench positions.
Young Prime, you're right, there's nothing wrong with 'family love' but why should a fictional species stick with that? Do you say the same with every other alien species in other media? It may not be what you want to see, but you can only speak for yourself, the same for all of us fans.
You're making this particular source material sound like Conjunx Endurae started back in 1984 with Sunbow or Marvel Comics and that I'm trying to argue against something from like 37 year ago...
The term wasn't brought up until 2016 and ended in 2018 (as far as MTMTE and Lost Light books go anyway). And no other TF project has brought it up since. So if you wish to retcon Ratchet and Drift being couple's back in 1984 then you and the thread starter will have a harder time lobbying for it them me and millions of other G1 fans will in disregarding it.
To clarify... IDW canon from 2016-2018 is all yours to enjoy when it comes to "Spark Mates". But there's so many other TF cartoons and comicbook lines made before, during and after that all TF fans DON'T have to adhere to this phase if they don't want to.
So if TF writers for future TF projects happen to see my initial post here. I hope they understand it better than some of the people in here did. I just think my opinions for this particular alien race makes better $olution$.
At no point in this discussion has anyone, to my knowledge, implied that this aspect of the storyline somehow connected to "G1". It is, as far as I can see, a celebration of (implied) homosexual/alternative interpersonal relationships between TF characters, in the IDW comics.
However, in the wider scope of all TF interpersonal relationships/sexuality, these have been a part of TF lore since G1.
Examples include:
- Elita-1 and Optimus Prime (girlfriend/boyfriend)
- Chromia and Ironhide (implied girlfriend/boyfriend)
- Powerglide and human female ("The Girl Who Loved Powerglide")
- Seaspray and "Golden Lagoon alien girl" ("The Golden Lagoon")
- Sludge and human female (UK marvel comics)
- Arcee, Hotrod and Springer (implied love triangle)
- Arcee and Daniel (implied mother/son)
- G1 Pretender and giant alien Amazonian female (UK Marvel comics)
- G1 Tracks (implied, stereotypical image of a gay man)
- Arcee (feminist issues, UK Marvel comics).
I'm sure the list could go on.
YoungPrime wrote: SMH..... Since the initial top 5 couples list are all part of IDW which was all unquestionably based off of Generation One what the h3ll is there to imply???
IDW round 1 was a new version of G1...PERIOD! And G1 lore is all I really care about.
And the most popular stand out couple in the initial G1 phase was Spike and Carly, two humans. Speculate and imply on Transformers in all these other G1 comic book issues and cartoon episodes that didn't lead to anything all you want and enjoy it all you want.
My points still stands.
primalxconvoy wrote:YoungPrime wrote: SMH..... Since the initial top 5 couples list are all part of IDW which was all unquestionably based off of Generation One what the h3ll is there to imply???
IDW round 1 was a new version of G1...PERIOD! And G1 lore is all I really care about.
And the most popular stand out couple in the initial G1 phase was Spike and Carly, two humans. Speculate and imply on Transformers in all these other G1 comic book issues and cartoon episodes that didn't lead to anything all you want and enjoy it all you want.
My points still stands.
I'm not really sure what your "point" is, to be honest.
YoungPrime wrote:It's not like they ever showed Optimus and Elita share a bedroom so why is shoving same sex couples down our throats so important?
william-james88 wrote:@ young prime, does your G1 lore also exclude the entire episode dedicated to Powerglide's love life?
PushYouDown wrote:No it doesn't. That's a wilful misread.
PushYouDown wrote:If you can accept that they are sentient creatures...and you can accept that they form friendships, have admiration, loyalty, hatred, etc. etc... why can't you accept that they would form romantic bonds?
And if you don't think they are sentient creatures but mindless automatons....where have you been? They've always had personality and emotions.
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