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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I assume they are going to ignore that BB started off in the '07 film as the yellow VW Beetle?
Anyway:5 factions mentioned so far.
This is the part that concerns me. That means at least two factions (Decepticons and Predacons, I think are a safe bet) will be thrown under the bus or used as fodder. Bumblebee worked because the idea that 'less was more' adhered to the roster.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I assume they are going to ignore that BB started off in the '07 film as the yellow VW Beetle?
Anyway:5 factions mentioned so far.
This is the part that concerns me. That means at least two factions (Decepticons and Predacons, I think are a safe bet) will be thrown under the bus or used as fodder. Bumblebee worked because the idea that 'less was more' adhered to the roster.
Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.
as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.
Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.
The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.
ZeroWolf wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.
as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.
Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.
The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.
*puts hand up*
I didn't care for the Bumblebee opening. I much preferred everything that came after.
Also if you want a tf movie without humans, then we're getting that, as they're still doing the Cybertron prequel movie.
Immortal Starscream wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.
as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.
Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.
The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.
*puts hand up*
I didn't care for the Bumblebee opening. I much preferred everything that came after.
Also if you want a tf movie without humans, then we're getting that, as they're still doing the Cybertron prequel movie.
I am actually not on the "no humanz in our robot movies" bandwagon. Having a human character, particularly one that is relatable, helps serve as an audience proxy and adds to the scale of the story being told. The more "everyman" the character the better. but making the entire movie just about them with the robot apocalypse as the backdrop is what I would like them to get away from. This is what I think the Bumblebee movie did very well with the relationship between Bee and Charlie, and am hoping we will see more of in this movie.
ZeroWolf wrote:Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001(this is a joke)
ZeroWolf wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Immortal Starscream wrote:lot's of discussion about continuity here, so I will just slide in and point out that in the entire history of the brand, the phrase "Transformers Continuity" has always been an oxymoron.
as for the statement on the tone of this new movie, the Bumblebee movie was a solid attempt at actually making a GOOD movie that was about the Transformers. However while it did well, it wasn't the huge money making cash behemoth that they were expecting/wanting. back after the movie made its rounds and they were talking about the future they said that they learned their lesson and knew that people wanted the spectacle and carnage of the Bay films. Nobody seemed then to take stock of the fact that the movies had gotten so bad, that people just weren't going to see them anymore. I have many friends who refused to even give Bumblebee a chance until I made them watch the movie.
Even the people who loved the braindead nature of the films though were burned out on it. This is where things are dangerous. It's been long enough of a break from the movies that people may be ready to give it another shot. If they drop out another TLK quality film and it makes a ton of money as a result of people jumping back in to see what all the fuss is about, then they will say they were justified in releasing crap because peoples wallets said so.
The real lesson that they need to take away from Bumblebee is that the opening scene of the movie is the part that is unanimously loved by fans, critics, and average movie goers. This should tell you that the focus of the movie really should be on the Transformers, not just because it's, you know, THIER NAME ON THE BRAND.
*puts hand up*
I didn't care for the Bumblebee opening. I much preferred everything that came after.
Also if you want a tf movie without humans, then we're getting that, as they're still doing the Cybertron prequel movie.
I am actually not on the "no humanz in our robot movies" bandwagon. Having a human character, particularly one that is relatable, helps serve as an audience proxy and adds to the scale of the story being told. The more "everyman" the character the better. but making the entire movie just about them with the robot apocalypse as the backdrop is what I would like them to get away from. This is what I think the Bumblebee movie did very well with the relationship between Bee and Charlie, and am hoping we will see more of in this movie.
At this juncture, there's no reason to doubt that this will be the case other then pessimism. Or if users have time machines and have already seen the movie.
Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001(this is a joke)
Really I think the heist will be the precursor to how the Predacons and Maximals getting involved, with the Terrorcons being the villains of note at the beginning (perhaps with Decepticon handler to make sure they do the job)
You jest, but Ben Yee described his robot mode as resembling a cross between Cybertron Scourge and Prime Predaking, but also with smokestacks that may or may not suggest a truck altmode.ZeroWolf wrote:Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001(this is a joke)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Autobot N wrote:I wonder if there'll be more Maximals aside from the three mentioned or if this is it? If so, it would be an interesting coincidence that the only Maximals in the movie are the ones I bought or are planning to buy from Kingdom (Primal, Airazor, Rhinox).
Sabrblade wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:You jest, but Ben Yee described his robot mode as resembling a cross between Cybertron Scourge and Prime Predaking, but also with smokestacks that may or may not suggest a truck altmode.ZeroWolf wrote:Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001(this is a joke)
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
"The main hero is Optimus, as we all know and love," Caple said. "We're bringing Prime back, paying direct homage to Generation One. I care so much about this character that I really wanted to dive into Transformers, and I saw a Bumblebee and I was like, okay, Bumblebee had his own movie, but I want to discover more about Optimus Prime, dig underneath the surface, get underneath the metal, if you would, and like explore who he is and his experience here on earth, you know?"
"I know everyone has been asking like crazy, are we going, G1, are we going to G1?" Caple continued. "The answer is, yes, we are going to G1, the Prime."
The movie takes place about a decade before Michael Bay's Transformers -- and Caple plans to use that as an opportunity to explore a kind of "Year One" approach to Optimus Prime, and give fans a sense of how he became a great leader.
"It's 1994, and in a way, both the animated series and the Bay films treat Optimus the same in the sense of who he is as a leader, what is his drive?" Caple said. "All those things. What we've done is we're bringing it back to where you see how he becomes, what you're familiar with. And that's big new news."
And, yes, it isn't just a question of him spending 10 years on Earth. There's more to it than that, and fans will get to see what his "emotional" tie is to the planet, according to the director.
"When you say got to where he is, you mean 'we need to protect these earthlings and this biological planet,'" Caple explained. "The way to look at it is he's new to earth and he doesn't have a connection to earth the way we met him in the Bay films and the way we met him in the animated series where he's already a protector of Earth. And so in this film, it's forming, why does he have a link to humanity? And why does he have a link to earth? And that's emotional...At the beginning of Bumblebee, we showed, he escaped from Cybertron his home planet. And so in a sense, he's he literally is like an ex-pat here, right? He's landed. He's, he's an alien and he's never been here before. And so it allows us to get underneath say the stoicism of what we're traditionally presented in an Optimus."
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Deadput wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You jest, but Ben Yee described his robot mode as resembling a cross between Cybertron Scourge and Prime Predaking, but also with smokestacks that may or may not suggest a truck altmode.ZeroWolf wrote:Surprised no one has pointed out that if there's an scourge in this, compete with Predacons, maybe they're adapting a little of RiD 2001(this is a joke)
I like the idea of this Scourge having a beastial type robot mode but doesn't transform into a beast mode but instead turns into a black truck like Rid Scourge
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