No Comic Adaptation for Transformers 4
Tuesday, December 18th, 2012 9:07AM CST
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Michael Bay wrote:P.S. I bet it is something from Hasbro. This time they are not doing a comic book of the movie because we want to keep our story under wraps. It must be their version of a comic themed Transformers story they are creating.
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Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2012 @ 10:07am CST
Clever...
Posted by Bumblevivisector on December 18th, 2012 @ 10:15am CST
Of course, IDW might just do one the following year. They did "Wrath of Khan" 2 decades later, so why not?
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 18th, 2012 @ 10:32am CST
Posted by Mindmaster on December 18th, 2012 @ 10:39am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Does that mean there will be no book adaptation either?
Possibly. But I see no immediate release a little bit before or during the film's release.
Posted by RiddlerJ on December 18th, 2012 @ 1:06pm CST
Posted by prowl123 on December 18th, 2012 @ 2:34pm CST
Posted by XDMan on December 18th, 2012 @ 8:52pm CST
Posted by Slashercon on December 18th, 2012 @ 9:21pm CST
Posted by AutoBorst on December 19th, 2012 @ 8:03am CST
Posted by Mindmaster on December 19th, 2012 @ 10:54am CST
AutoBorst wrote:How about they just spare us all the pain and skip making the whole film? I'd rather read a shitty story in comic book form then waste another 2 hours watching Bay's TF-garbage.
Movie making is big bucks. Doesn't matter if you're a fan of Bay's Transformers or not: people who want to see big 's will pay for it.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 19th, 2012 @ 12:58pm CST
AutoBorst wrote:How about they just spare us all the pain and skip making the whole film? I'd rather read a shitty story in comic book form then waste another 2 hours watching Bay's TF-garbage.
Did someone force you to watch Bay's TF films?
Posted by Red 50 on December 19th, 2012 @ 3:37pm CST
AutoBorst wrote:How about they just spare us all the pain and skip making the whole film? I'd rather read a shitty story in comic book form then waste another 2 hours watching Bay's TF-garbage.
No-one's gonna force you to watch it. You can skip it. As for myself, all I can say is that when it comes out, I'll race to the cinema. No matter how bad it might be.
Posted by El Duque on December 30th, 2012 @ 9:17pm CST
Some Internet sites reported that some document recovery guy has found a legitimate 120 page script of Transformers 4. I can absolutely 100 percent say this is completely false. The only two people in the world that have our unfinished script are Kruger and myself. Also we are only up to page 70 in our T4 script. Maybe this guy has a cartoon or something else – but definitely not our movie!
Michael bay
Posted by Mindmaster on December 30th, 2012 @ 9:21pm CST
Posted by Doubledealer93 on December 30th, 2012 @ 9:23pm CST
Mindmaster wrote:Looks kinda cool. Hopefully the toys will be better than DOTM.
this. i could care less about the plot. i want the toys if they are better.
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 30th, 2012 @ 9:31pm CST
I don't care!
Posted by Seibertron on December 30th, 2012 @ 9:55pm CST
Posted by Mindmaster on December 30th, 2012 @ 9:59pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Run Optimus Prime! They're Walkers!!!
Walking Dead reference ftw!
Posted by Janus Prime on December 30th, 2012 @ 10:01pm CST
Posted by PaxCybertron82 on December 30th, 2012 @ 10:10pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2012 @ 10:25pm CST
Not saying I disagree about the faces, but technically they only look "weird" and "monster-like" to us becuase they are aliens. What's natural to them may look foreign and abnormal to us, and vice versa. These faces are just more "different" than the usual "metal Earth human-like faces" we're so accustomed to seeing.ViperEye82 wrote:Meh...when I heard "reboot" I kinda hoped it would include not having the Transformers be metal alien monsters with weird faces.
Posted by PaxCybertron82 on December 30th, 2012 @ 10:32pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2012 @ 10:45pm CST
And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.ViperEye82 wrote:Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?
Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth?
I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look.
And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown.
Posted by PaxCybertron82 on December 30th, 2012 @ 10:53pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.ViperEye82 wrote:Yes, I understand. They're also robots. Would it be so far fetched for them to look more like robots and not phallic-y monsters that drool (for some reason)?
Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth?
I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look.
And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown.
And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.
Posted by Hypershock on December 30th, 2012 @ 10:58pm CST
Posted by burning_sirius on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:01pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:And, again, they're "alien" robots. We Earthlings have our visions of what robots tends to look like, so it's likely that those of other planets have their own visualization for robotic design.
Why must something not originally from the Planet Earth resemble a design that is easily recognized as originating from the Planet Earth?
I mean, realistically speaking, extraterrestrial lifeforms originating from locations far off away from the Earth wouldn't be surprising to appear in forms beyond our typical comprehension and comfort zones of how aliens should look.
And these movies try to go for such an approach. Yet, there are still very obvious design cues that still stem from Earthly designs due to the natural limitations of the human imagination when trying to draw away from the familiar and into the unknown.
>> Limited imagination
>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.
Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist. Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls, Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)
I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.
I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:11pm CST
Thing is, the Transformers are aliens. always have been since day 1. The latter two examples are supposed to look like things from Earth (turtles and cats). The TFs come from Cybertron, so if the Cybertronian look ain't nothing like the Earth look, so be it.ViperEye82 wrote:And I'm saying they're Transformers. If I want an outside of the box ET film, I'll watch Prometheus again (but I won't). Transformers should look like transformers, tmnt should look like turtles, thundercats should look...well you get it. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying fans might have enjoyed the characters more if they were recognizable as robots, not monsters.
This kind of thing works in live action form since a look more like the blocky G1 look or any other non-Movieverse seires look would make them look more like giant toy robots, or even Megazords (mostly referring to the singular unit, non-combining ones), rather than technological lifeforms.
It's kinda like how a real life human looks far more detailed and alive than a cartoon character design run through the most advanced CG render to make it look realistically three-dimensional with still having that smooth, undetailed cartoony look. Think like in those live action Looney Tunes movies in which the characters look really there, but don't look "real" themeselves, if you get my drift.
Now, I will agree that the movie designs do look a bit overdetailed with too many panels and wires and such, though a more compromised design aesthetic that might work in live action while being more easy on the eyes would be the video game designs from WFC/FOC. Those look reasitica enough without being too jarring, and enough like the typicl Transformers designs without looking too much like giant-sized children's play things.
Posted by guarayakha on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:13pm CST
Janus Prime wrote:Well, I was expecting a new design for Optimus... I guess he looks a little different... Nemesis?
I kinda hope that is the case, considering how eager Optimus was in killing his foes, especially his mentor Sentinel in DOTM. He should really fall into a state of depression and ends up going crazy
Then Rodimus will kill him and be the new Leader of the Autobots, shattering childrens' heart again since 1984.
Posted by PaxCybertron82 on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:17pm CST
Posted by burning_sirius on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:17pm CST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhTUh7d8Ft0
ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:30pm CST
Um, what? You do realize it wasn't Bay who made these designs, right? Bay just directed them and gave his two cents, it was the art development team who created them and such.burning_sirius wrote:>> Limited imagination
>> Macross and a whole ton of mecha have limited imagination.
Giant robots that strain your eyes as they fold away into a million cgi effects making no logical sense. I mean this is a new low for being a Bay apologist.
Again, it wasn't Bay who drew these designs. and you ought to know very well that the wrecking balls are not in the same category as what I've referring to here. I'm taking about the overall figure, not some stupidly minute deatil that was likely thrown in after the fact just to make a bad joke.burning_sirius wrote:Bay did not shy away from anthropomorphization when he gave Devastator balls,
Those are designs, how? Those are actions/body functions, not physical body appearances. Sheesh.burning_sirius wrote:Bumblebee peeing, or made Jetfire fart. I guess those scenes were due to his limited imagination. (see what I did there)
And none of those examples, save for the Transformers, fall into any of what I was getting at with the movie designs. You're just looking for an excuse for some random Bay bashing whne Bay wasn't even a factor in this alien robot design discussion.burning_sirius wrote:I am a fan of classic mech design. Anywhere from UC Gundam, Macross, Transformers, and so on. This whole post is disses to every single giant robot or scifi series that has ever been made. I mean Star Trek had countless humanoid alien species.
DOTM didn't sell well for a number of reasons, but mostly because most the return film characters had mostly the same designs they've already had (which kids already bought in the previous movie toylines and so didn't feel compelled to buy something very similar to what they already had), and becuase retailers overstocked the toys to an ungodly degree that they're still sitting on the shelves almost 1 1/2 years after they first arrived. Not to mention the lousy MechTech gimmick that only seemed half-decent for any figure above deluxe class. And all the excess Robo Power stuff no one bought since were for an audience too young to even be interested in the films and their characters. And, to top it all off, all the insane price hikes retailers kept pushing with the economy getting worse and worse. Oy. DOTM's toyline was a flop, yes, but not specifically for the design aesthetic of the characters (otherwise Movie 1 and ROTF's toylines wouldn't have done so well, and ROTF had an awesome toyline ).burning_sirius wrote:I really do hope Pacific Rim smashes Transformers 4 at the box office. Like we need this again. We don't. We also get that Americans are rejecting the designs as DotM did not sell very well. It was a novel idea having your insides become your outsides for a Transformer at the time. Now, it is just grating.
And, the more successful the films are, the more money Hasbro earns, the more Generations toys they can give us.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:32pm CST
Whoa! Great minds think alike, man. (See the final paragraph of my last response given to ya.)ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:38pm CST
As awesome as GaoGaiGar is, there's no denying that they still look like giant toy robots, which is what these films don't want to do. They want them to look like alien robot lifeforms, not giant action figures. A toy-like look drives away casual adult moviegoers as they don't want to watch something that says "children's movie". i'd rather this weren't the case, but sadly it is.
burning_sirius wrote:ViperEye82 wrote:Lets cut this short; I would have messed my pants if the Transformer movies used wfc/FOC look. That's all I'm saying.
And not have the wrecking balls and farting, you are going too far ViperEye. This is high grade artistic vision here, not your kiddie Transformers.
Posted by Megatronsdemise666 on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:50pm CST
If optimus looks the same, would it be possible we might get a re-release of jetwing, or a release of a striker optimus here?
Posted by amtm on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:50pm CST
Doubledealer93 wrote:Mindmaster wrote:Looks kinda cool. Hopefully the toys will be better than DOTM.
this. i could care less about the plot. i want the toys if they are better.
What plot? This is Bay...
Note to Hasbro: I'd pay real money to see a professionally produced, theatrical release Transformers stop motion movie. What better way to advertise than feature the actual products doing all the action?
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:55pm CST
As for the designs:
They're pretty over complicated, as everyone has already mentioned. The Foc/WFC designs should have been the happy comprimise (the toy robot look i believe would have appealed to the now more targeted audience, and if executed well with lots of moving parts like in the game, would still look sick in motion). I like some of the movie figures because they are complex toys, however in the movie, they are just a flying mess of cg that ends up looking too fake as all those seams just magically dissappear in alt. mode. There are some sweet transformation sequences but I feel that an oldschool fan would ALWAYS prefer G1 devastator over a boring beast vacuum cleaner.
I'm pretty done complaining about the movies coz its beating a dead horse. They allow for some cool toys, and thats great (however the classics/generations lines are FAR superior to most movie figures). I will always have the awesome games and comics, and the figures, so let the movies suck all they want, I'll just rewatch the animated movie and feel better.
Posted by Burn on December 30th, 2012 @ 11:59pm CST
Posted by Megatronsdemise666 on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:04am CST
If optimus looks the same, would it be possible we might get a re-release of jetwing, or a release of a striker optimus here?
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:05am CST
Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:08am CST
If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Posted by njb902 on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:13am CST
Sabrblade wrote:If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
It's just like the world not ending on the 21st all over again
Posted by burning_sirius on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:14am CST
Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:16am CST
Sabrblade wrote:If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Thats ridiculous. Just because you don't like the direction its changing into doesn't mean you don't want to see it evolve into something better. Hell, the comments are praising whats being done right (the games) and whats wrong (the movie). The games aren't G1; they have their own designs, own story even. On top of that, isn't the whole point of a discussion board to discuss what you like and dislike? And again, even further, as fans we barely have any say with how things turn out in a big budget movie like this, so who really gives a damn if you don't agree with someones comment? Tottaly off topic by now so whatever, if you have nothing to contribute to the topic and wanna diss members for stating opinions, feel free to pm me.
Posted by MINDVVIPE on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:19am CST
burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!
Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM
Dude that is sick!
Doesn't look like a toy robot to me at all. Looks even cooler coz I can actually see exactly what its supposed to be.
Posted by burning_sirius on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:25am CST
Posted by El Duque on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:28am CST
http://andrewss7.deviantart.com/art/Tra ... -277383806
Posted by burning_sirius on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:31am CST
Posted by Burn on December 31st, 2012 @ 12:57am CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Not nearly as many times as these forums have been subjected to the blanket negativity towards the movies.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 31st, 2012 @ 1:04am CST
All Burn said was that there have been complaints about changes in the fnrachise for over 25 years, and I was just saying how he's right. Never once did either of us explicitly refer to the complaints of the changes the Bay films have made. Just changes in general.MINDVVIPE wrote:Sabrblade wrote:If anything, this page is in support of Burn's claims, as fans have been complaining over changes in the franchise as far back as the Death of Optimus Prime (1986).MINDVVIPE wrote:Burn wrote:I still find it ironic that after five years (well actually 25+) people are still bitching and moaning and crying over changes made to a franchise that has change as it's central theme.
Really?... how many times is it now that you've commented with this blanket antagonism towards commenting members? Guess its the only way to defend something you like.
Thats ridiculous. Just because you don't like the direction its changing into doesn't mean you don't want to see it evolve into something better. Hell, the comments are praising whats being done right (the games) and whats wrong (the movie). The games aren't G1; they have their own designs, own story even. On top of that, isn't the whole point of a discussion board to discuss what you like and dislike? And again, even further, as fans we barely have any say with how things turn out in a big budget movie like this, so who really gives a damn if you don't agree with someones comment? Tottaly off topic by now so whatever, if you have nothing to contribute to the topic and wanna diss members for stating opinions, feel free to pm me.
And, he wasn't dissing anyone. He was making a general observation that both matched with how the fandom has typically viewed radical changes in the franchise over the years and fit as a sarcastic remark towards said fandom of said franchise since said franchise is themed around toys that "change".
No need to get personal about a light jab at irony.
Now that right there, that does not look like a toy. That's much closer to what the Movieverse designs would look like in a good compromise like the WFC/FOC. We need more designs closer to that.burning_sirius wrote:All change is good change. I have to disagree with the 'looks like toys' bs, BECAUSE IT IS A TOY COMMERCIAL!!!!! UGH!!!
Lets look at this classic Go Nagai design in movie form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmPLiJgGASM
Unless with go with soem of the more sleeker or "not-so-shoebox-y" designs like from Gundam Wing, G Gundam, Gundam SEED, etc.burning_sirius wrote:Also, Bandai and Sony have bought domain names for a live action theatrical Gundam movie. Talk about 'boxy toys', Gundam is nothing but 'shoe boxes'. I wonder how American audiences will respond to that. IF they go in droves, the Bayverse is finished period. I would rather pony up 15 for IMAX 3D for a live action OYW Gundam movie than a bottom barrel Bayformer film. Period.
Genuine question. Wasn't it mostly the Mobile Suit Gundam, 8th MS Team, 0080, 0083, etc. designs that were the "boxiest"? Or, were there others from later series that were even blockier?
Well, that was a waste.El Duque wrote:Turns out it was just fan art and that facebook page is a fake. Removed as news.
http://andrewss7.deviantart.com/art/Tra ... -277383806
Posted by Mindmaster on December 31st, 2012 @ 1:17am CST
I've grown apathetic toward the Bayformers. Movies One and Two were the best in my opinion, Three was just like Halo 4: wasn't as good as it was hyped up to be. My philosophy: if I like it, I'll get it. If I don't, I don't even glance in its direction.