Official Images of Transformers MPG-09 Super Ginrai
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 10:59am CDT
The question is, will it be a bitch to transform like MP-44?
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:01am CDT
Posted by cruizerdave on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:04am CDT
Posted by angtre on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:24am CDT
First-Aid wrote:I'm kind of nonplussed by this. It just seems very bland. I'll wait to see in person pics.
Same here. But it's an objection I move to most MP toys nowadays, since they opted for a look more similar to the cartoon/anime series.
Posted by o.supreme on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:28am CDT
But Super Ginrai/PM Prime has never been sold without his trailer in any other release that I am aware of. Of course I feel the same about the original Prime. I remember the TRU Commemorative series in 2002 having the trailer. I cant remember when the first "cab only" Original reproduction Optimus was offered? I want to say it was the Walmart one around 2016/17 ? But it could have been before that...but it still seemed odd, not something Id ever consider purchasing.
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:29am CDT
angtre wrote:First-Aid wrote:I'm kind of nonplussed by this. It just seems very bland. I'll wait to see in person pics.
Same here. But it's an objection I move to most MP toys nowadays, since they opted for a look more similar to the cartoon/anime series.
Agreed. These are 1980s and early 1990s animation models...the very definition of bland. I guess I am leaning more towards the detailing and little things now.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:45am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:50am CDT
~ Grim
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:54am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:56am CDT
MP-60 = toy colors cab-onlychuckdawg1999 wrote:So is MP-60 or MPG-09 cartoon colors? Either way I went with the Big Kahuna, I hope it doesn't suck.
MPG-09 = cartoon colors cab and trailer, w/ bonus optional stickers to give the trailer toy colors
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:01pm CDT
I hate to say it, but I agree. I was looking forward to it, but I'll watch some review videos 1st. Hopefully the price won't get insane.First-Aid wrote:I'm kind of nonplussed by this. It just seems very bland. I'll wait to see in person pics.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:32pm CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:42pm CDT
Posted by Hero Alpha on April 9th, 2024 @ 12:52pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 1:01pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:And here's MP-60 Ginrai
Mistransformed or blue ballbearings? Elita leave him hanging?
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 1:03pm CDT
You saying Elita's cheating on Optimus with Ginrai?First-Aid wrote:Elita leave him hanging?
Posted by First-Aid on April 9th, 2024 @ 1:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:You saying Elita's cheating on Optimus with Ginrai?First-Aid wrote:Elita leave him hanging?
This week on Blaster's Off-Cybertron Podcast: "I accidentally cheated with your identical, red-eyed twin." Elita leaks lubricants in sincere apology to Optimus. Ginrai throws chair at Blaster.
Posted by william-james88 on April 9th, 2024 @ 2:07pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 9th, 2024 @ 2:16pm CDT
The listings give us some new images, showing off all accessories each release comes with. The Super version comes with an alternate face to give Optimus red eyes instead of blue, along with a small figure of Ginrai in his exo-suit, and some really cool effects parts.
MP-60 Ginrai toy accurate deco for ¥18,078 including Japanese taxes
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/b0czx59d4c?tag=seibertron00-22& ... sform0c-22
MPG-09 Super Ginrai anime accurate deco for ¥39,017 including Japanese taxes
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/b0czwxlmcx/ ... sform0c-22?tag=seibertron00-22&
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 9th, 2024 @ 2:21pm CDT
If I am being honest, the alternate red eyed head sculpt pushed me over the edge to do it
Posted by Overcracker on April 9th, 2024 @ 3:48pm CDT
But my word.... that heroic pelvic thrust....
If I had $300 disposable bucks I might go for it.
But as it is, I'll just keep my Takara Legends Super Ginrai and God Bomber. As bad as those awkward feet are.
I would appreciate a comparison shot though. Just to see how far 200 more bucks of budget can go.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 4:31pm CDT
But holy shit, around half a grand Canadian, taxed and shipped.
This will be at the second place of my most expensive Transformers ever, right before the G1 Victory Saber set.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 6:10pm CDT
I know a way to make those feet stable and solid as a rock. PM me.Overcracker wrote:But as it is, I'll just keep my Takara Legends Super Ginrai and God Bomber. As bad as those awkward feet are.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:14pm CDT
See that bullet-pointed note in the bottom half of the pic? This text:
「マスターピース」シリーズは100体目の発売を機に今作で終了となり、今後トランスフオーマーの最高峰ブランドは次世代最高峰ブランドである「トランスフォーマーMPG」に統一となります。
When translated into English, (courtesy of DeepL) it states the following:
The "Masterpiece" series will come to an end with the release of the 100th figure, and the highest Transformer brand will be unified with the next generation's highest brand, "Transformers MPG".
MP-60 Ginrai is apparently the final Masterpiece release, with Masterpiece Gattai formally taking over as its successor line.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:21pm CDT
Or is it just an excuse to reset the numbers?
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:23pm CDT
No non-combiners allowed?-Kanrabat- wrote:Is there any point in that name change?
Or is it just an excuse to reset the numbers?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:31pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:No non-combiners allowed?-Kanrabat- wrote:Is there any point in that name change?
Or is it just an excuse to reset the numbers?
Impossibru.
They'll keep making MPs no matter what, no matter the gimmick.
Posted by TulioDude on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:34pm CDT
Maybe even combiners.
Day 1561 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:35pm CDT
It's not a name change. MPG is a separate line that currently coexists with the MP line. Like how Studio Series 86 and Legacy are separate lines.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No non-combiners allowed?-Kanrabat- wrote:Is there any point in that name change?
Or is it just an excuse to reset the numbers?
Impossibru.
They'll keep making MPs no matter what, no matter the gimmick.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:50pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It's not a name change. MPG is a separate line that currently coexists with the MP line. Like how Studio Series 86 and Legacy are separate lines.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No non-combiners allowed?-Kanrabat- wrote:Is there any point in that name change?
Or is it just an excuse to reset the numbers?
Impossibru.
They'll keep making MPs no matter what, no matter the gimmick.
You just said that MP-60 is the FINAL MP release in that line and the MP line will be unified into MPG.
As if the Studio Series would be unified in SS86 and you'd get Bayverse figures in SS86.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:53pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:WHOA! Major news flash!
See that bullet-pointed note in the bottom half of the pic? This text:
「マスターピース」シリーズは100体目の発売を機に今作で終了となり、今後トランスフオーマーの最高峰ブランドは次世代最高峰ブランドである「トランスフォーマーMPG」に統一となります。
When translated into English, (courtesy of DeepL) it states the following:
The "Masterpiece" series will come to an end with the release of the 100th figure, and the highest Transformer brand will be unified with the next generation's highest brand, "Transformers MPG".
MP-60 Ginrai is apparently the final Masterpiece release, with Masterpiece Gattai formally taking over as its successor line.
So, what does that REALLY mean?
Are you saying that they will stop making Masterpieces of the non combining characters?
No MP Kup, Scourge, Cyclonus, Galvatron, and so on?
I call bull.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:53pm CDT
MPG is Combiners-only. That's what the G in MPG is short for. "Gattai". They are sister lines. The normal MP line will be ending while the MPG line will go on to continue on its own as a Combiner-centric line, which the normal MP line is not.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's not a name change. MPG is a separate line that currently coexists with the MP line. Like how Studio Series 86 and Legacy are separate lines.-Kanrabat- wrote:Sabrblade wrote:No non-combiners allowed?-Kanrabat- wrote:Is there any point in that name change?
Or is it just an excuse to reset the numbers?
Impossibru.
They'll keep making MPs no matter what, no matter the gimmick.
You just said that MP-60 is the FINAL MP release in that line and the MP line will be unified into MPG.
As if the Studio Series would be unified in SS86 and you'd get Bayverse figures in SS86.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:56pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:The normal MP line will be ending while the MPG line will go on to continue on its own as a Combiner-centric line, which the normal MP line is not.
And that's where I call bullsht.
They will keep on making "regular" MP. They will just pull another name out of their ass if need be.
Posted by Bounti76 on April 9th, 2024 @ 9:58pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on April 9th, 2024 @ 10:22pm CDT
I was recently expressing my frustrations about the Masterpiece line to one of my long time buddies who stopped by ol' Seibertron Headquarters recently. It's incredibly absurd that I've been collecting this line for TWENTY years and we are missing so many main characters. The Masterpiece line is incredible but I don't think I'm interested in collecting a line that isn't going to do the main characters until I'm in my 60s or 70s at this rate. If I had known 20 years ago that this line would never be finished or taken this long, I probably would have never collected it. I say that, and then think of some of the amazing figures we've gotten, but then just think back to how it's been soft-rebooted, 3 Masterpiece Primes, 3 Starscreams, 2 Bumblebees, and so on. No Headmasters, Galvatron, Blurr, Kup, JAZZ (!!!), various Mini-Bots, where's that Cliffjumper (???), Blaster (we got a Decepticon recolored Steeljaw but no Steeljaw!!!), Perceptor, Blitzwing, Astrotrain, SPRINGER!!!, Cyclonus, Scourge, Insecticons, the rest of the Dinobots (Grimlock was released FIFTEEN years ago) and so on. They don't even have to do licenses for most of those excluding Jazz and the Mini-Bots (but they had the opportunity with Jazz recently and didn't do anything with it). Just kind of frustrating at this point. I setup "8" detolfs recently, thinking I'd make some room for some Masterpieces and my first gut instinct was just to put out the "best" regular "Generations" figures. No room for Masterpieces.
First world problems, I know. But still kind of like "WTF" to the whole Masterpiece line at this point.
Posted by Emerje on April 9th, 2024 @ 10:25pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:When translated into English, (courtesy of DeepL) it states the following:
The "Masterpiece" series will come to an end with the release of the 100th figure, and the highest Transformer brand will be unified with the next generation's highest brand, "Transformers MPG".
MP-60 Ginrai is apparently the final Masterpiece release, with Masterpiece Gattai formally taking over as its successor line.
That's basically what the text in Google Translate says. But I wonder if they might be rebranding MPG itself to Masterpiece Generations or something due to their specific use of the word in the text. I'm guessing we'll hear something official by the end of the year.
Anyway, I ordered both, came to just over $400. Keep in mind that these are not the final prices and will likely be further reduced. AmiAmi has them at 36,960 and 16,940 respectively and typically Amazon Japan's prices are lower.
Emerje
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 10:27pm CDT
Counting up all the TakaraTomy releases listed on the wiki, I count 76 standard releases (77 when counting MP-60 Ginrai), and 36 of the special editions, making a total of 113 (Ginrai included). So either their math is way off, or they're not counting 13 of those special editions.Bounti76 wrote:I'm assuming if this is correct, they're counting the recolors, Masterpiece 00+s, etc in that number? Because if Ginrai is only MP-60, and they're going to 100, that would still leave 40 more figures to release to hit 100. There's still SO many G1 figures that don't have an MP release- Jazz, Mirage, Cliffjumper (whatever happened to that prototype and eventual color sample? ), Warpath, Brawn,.... most of the "minibots", now what I think about it.... Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, Springer, Blurr, etc...I just can't see (or understand) them just stopping with Ginrai, calling it a day, and only focusing on combiners.
If I were to guess which 13 they'd be not counting, these would be my guesses:
- MP-1 Convoy (lucky draw gold) - It's a lucky draw, which are usually treated as exceptional figures
- MP-1L Convoy Last Production - too similar to the original MP-1 version, I guess
- MP-11A Acid Storm - this one originated as a Hasbro release first, so it wasn't Takara's idea
- MP-10A Convoy (BAPE ver.) - with how many BAPE versions of MP-10 there were, Takara's probably excluding them all
- MP-12 Lambor (TFExpo 2014 exclusive) - likely not different enough from normal MP-12 to be counted separately
- MP-10 Convoy Mode "Eva" - Takara might consider the TF/Evangelion label separate from the main MP label
- MP-5G Megatron Gold Ver. - though sold under Takara's label, this was a Hasbro Asia release
- MP-10R Convoy (BAPE REDCAMO ver.) - another BAPE version
- MP-10K Convoy (BAPE BLACKCAMO ver.) - another BAPE version
- MP-711 Convoy (7-Eleven ver.) - probably considered in the same ballpark as the BAPE versions
- Golden Lagoon Convoy - was actually sold under the "Golden Lagoon" label instead of the MP label, and has no MP ID number
- MP-10ASL Convoy (atmos safari LEBRON Ver.) - this is definitely in the same ballpark as the BAPE versions
- MP-10DC Convoy (atmos safari DUCKCAMO Ver.) - so is this one
Posted by Sabrblade on April 9th, 2024 @ 10:59pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on April 9th, 2024 @ 11:16pm CDT
With so many characters left undone it's hard to guess what the future might bring for the line. Thanks to Sabrblade in the Seibertron Energon Pub Forums for letting us know. And be sure to let us know how you feel about what may be sad news for many fans in the forums as well.
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on April 10th, 2024 @ 2:21am CDT
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on April 10th, 2024 @ 6:33am CDT
Although I have to admit, the pricy nature and iffy quality led me to grab very few of these. Even resorted to a KO after hearing it's version of G1 Megatron has less paint scuffing issues than the real deal.
Ginrai is really tempting, though. He was my childhood Prime. They had one in Titans Return, but he was definitely NOT scratching that itch due to his vehicle mode size and not being a Powermaster. I guess, if you're gonna end the brand, ending on yet another version of Prime is fitting.
Posted by whacko on April 10th, 2024 @ 6:44am CDT
Hopefully 3P companies will take this move as an opportunity to release better versions of older MP figures now that they won't be directly competing with Takara. DS9 looks like they've started down that road with their recently teased Sideswipe and Prowl figures but we'll see.
Posted by ScottyP on April 10th, 2024 @ 7:21am CDT
Posted by Spider5800 on April 10th, 2024 @ 8:09am CDT
If I'm being hopeful, maybe they're going with a new name because they're changing styles and rethinking how they're handling these figures going forward. Outside of the Beast Wars figures, I haven't really liked the style they're going for with these since MP-44. I hate the super-cartoony look, and the absurd panel-heavy transformations they've done on a lot of these to make it work. They look bad, they feel bad, and all the extra parts and stupid accessories they included rocketed up the price.
Go back to the style that already worked well from MP-10 onward, when this was arguably the best toyline in the game.
Posted by Spider5800 on April 10th, 2024 @ 8:15am CDT
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Although I have to admit, the pricy nature and iffy quality led me to grab very few of these. Even resorted to a KO after hearing it's version of G1 Megatron has less paint scuffing issues than the real deal.
Yeah, the QC on these has been iffy for a while. Wanted Hound, but he apparently breaks apart just due to normal transformation because they used garbage plastic (ironically making KO's the better version by default). MP-44 has the infamous knee issues. Tons of them have easily scratched paint. All this while charging 2-3 times what the earlier, often better figures cost.
Hopefully this shift to MPG is used as an opportunity for them to update how they handle these figures, because there's been a lot of crap MP's the past few years.
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on April 10th, 2024 @ 9:00am CDT
Spider5800 wrote: MP-44 has the infamous knee issues.
He does? He was too pricy and I already bought two MP Primes, so I skipped. I thought Roddy was the only one with bum knees (I haven't been paying attention, obviously). I picked one of mine up after years of standing there and his shins just stayed on the shelf. WTF, man? I picked up a loose one off TaoBao, but I was not amused (yes, it was the Japanese one). I haven't picked him up for a while, so who knows how he's doing?
Hot Rod is one of my faves so it was a big disappointment.
Posted by Spider5800 on April 10th, 2024 @ 9:19am CDT
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Spider5800 wrote: MP-44 has the infamous knee issues.
He does? He was too pricy and I already bought two MP Primes, so I skipped. I thought Roddy was the only one with bum knees (I haven't been paying attention, obviously). I picked one of mine up after years of standing there and his shins just stayed on the shelf. WTF, man? I picked up a loose one off TaoBao, but I was not amused (yes, it was the Japanese one). I haven't picked him up for a while, so who knows how he's doing?
Hot Rod is one of my faves so it was a big disappointment.
Oh yeah, he has this weird double knee with a loose floating part inside that can get caught in the ratchet and break. Absurdly common issue.
https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/mp-44-general-fix-thread.1180965/
Their whole design philosophy with MPs since like 2019 has been bizarre to me. It all just feels like complexity for complexity's sake, not because it benefits the figures in any way.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 10th, 2024 @ 10:35am CDT
Godbomber is a combiner, so he would be perfectly eligible for the continuing MPG line, just as Super Ginrai is.Gauntlet101010 wrote:What, no Godbomber tease? Have they learned nothing from Star Saber?
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on April 10th, 2024 @ 10:45am CDT
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Well I hope it's just a rebranding because 2 Masterpiece Beast Wars Predacons is NOT enough! Especially since I decided to forgo getting any of the Maximals in order to focus on Predacons.
Exactly. They announce MP Rhinox after years of NOTHING and then pull this? Just finish the BW line! It's significantly closer than any other (non-movie) MP line. G1, they've dragging their heels on for 20 years. They literally could have finished every character that didn't require a license by now and chose not to.
Posted by Spider5800 on April 10th, 2024 @ 11:27am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Well I hope it's just a rebranding because 2 Masterpiece Beast Wars Predacons is NOT enough! Especially since I decided to forgo getting any of the Maximals in order to focus on Predacons.
Exactly. They announce MP Rhinox after years of NOTHING and then pull this? Just finish the BW line! It's significantly closer than any other (non-movie) MP line. G1, they've dragging their heels on for 20 years. They literally could have finished every character that didn't require a license by now and chose not to.
Haha, yeah, their choices for this line has been baffling. We don't even have the first 5 Maximals yet as they never made a Rattrap. It's only 5 characters! Still can't have a completed display!
Optimus Primal released in freaking 2016. It's been 7 years and we've only gotten 8 characters total from the show (plus Leo Prime I guess, if you count BW2). I can't imagine trying to stick with this line long enough to get the entire G1 cast. No wonder 3P has eaten Takara's lunch on this market.