Transformers: Prime Concept Art by Jose Lopez
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Posted by ToaLeePrime on December 13th, 2016 @ 4:37am CST
Posted by Silverwing on December 13th, 2016 @ 8:28pm CST
ToaLeePrime wrote:Gosh, that water color of Prime is gorgeous! I'd love to have that framed on my wall!
Heartily seconded!
Posted by danielmelendez33 on December 16th, 2016 @ 4:29pm CST
The drawing of Jose Lopez seems to me an excellent work! Try to do the same drawing in microsoft paint!
My regards to Jose Lopez
Bye!
Posted by Kurona on March 9th, 2017 @ 6:58am CST
-Young, brash hotheaded kid appeal newcomer
-Despite this has a lot of skill and experience
-Hinted at becoming a Prime
He's basically the same character archetype without all the superficial qualities. I don't know what happened in production; maybe they really wanted to keep the name Smokescreen, maybe they didn't want to turn off people who hated Hot Rod from the 1986 movie, maybe they literally made an original character and it just -happened- to be what an aligned version of Hot Rod would be... I dunno. This dude's Hot Rod to me.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 9th, 2017 @ 9:27am CST
And Cheetor. And Side Burn. And Wedge. And Hot Shot. Etc. etc.Kurona wrote:So is it just me, or is Smokescreen basically Hot Rod?
Well, let's also not forget that, at the time, Hasbro didn't yet have the name "Hot Rod" back like they do now, hence all the Hot Rod toys of the time being called "Rodimus".Kurona wrote:He's basically the same character archetype without all the superficial qualities. I don't know what happened in production; maybe they really wanted to keep the name Smokescreen, maybe they didn't want to turn off people who hated Hot Rod from the 1986 movie, maybe they literally made an original character and it just -happened- to be what an aligned version of Hot Rod would be... I dunno. This dude's Hot Rod to me.
Though, if one were to consider the rest of the Aligned media from back then (which was when the old Hasbro brand team was still around and pushing for people to acknowledge the games, books, and comics as well as the cartoons), there already was this guy from the War for Cybertron games:
This guy was obviously meant to be the Hot Rod of the games, but since Hasbro didn't have that name back yet, the games called him "Hot Shot" instead. Why they did this instead of calling him "Rodimus" is because, according to Aaron Archer at the BotCon 2010 Activision panel, the name "Rodimus" didn't fit with the story of the games and, at the time, Hasbro was wanting to tell the story of how the character would become "Rodimus" (alas, they never got to tell this story before the old team was switched out the current team).
Though, the unofficial short story "Bumblebee at Tyger Pax" (written by Alex Irvine, author of the Exodus and Exiles novels) did feature the character during the WFC era already bearing the name "Rodimus", but that the story was unofficial. However, the Retribution novel, which was official, did also feature the guy going by the "Rodimus" name, so he did at least exist with that name at that point.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to get to with all this WFC Rodimus talk is that, since the old Hasbro team was trying to push for every piece of Aligned media to go together, maybe they requested the show to not use Rodimus for the new young Autobot character in the show due to his already having been in the games and because of his then-upcoming role in a novel that would place him on Optimus's team in the ancient past.
Although, according to the Prime season 1 DVD/Blu-Ray audio commentaries, Smokescreen, rather than Cliffjumper, was originally going to have been the Autobot who died in season 1, and his death would have been in the finale instead of Episode 1. IMO, I think this was for the better because, while I still hated Cliffjumper's cheap death, Smokescreen got to live and become awesome for it. He's the best Autobot character in the show, just for his being the sole Autobot on the main team who actually enjoys what he does (Wheeljack does too, but it took him forever to become part of the main cast instead just a guest star).
Posted by PrymeStriker on March 9th, 2017 @ 3:50pm CST
Posted by o.supreme on March 9th, 2017 @ 4:03pm CST
PrymeStriker wrote:In the end, he learns that his real place is to be just a good cog in the Autobot machine. It actually sets his arc apart from Rodimus for me because he didn't just achieve Prime status in the end, rather, he realized that he's not entitled to become the greatest thing since..
That's one of the things I really enjoyed about Smokescreen's character. He learned humility, at least to a degree. I still recall the line from Predacons Rising about asking "who made him leader" referring to BB with just a slight touch of resentment.
But all that aside, I myself am a bit taken back, as I've heard comments from some that assert that the writers were pandering to "geewun fans" who hated Hot Rod/Rodimus and making Smokescreens outcome the way "they always wanted"
For the record, as a fan of the original series, I never hated Hot Rod or Rodimus Prime. Sure he wasn't as cool as Optimus IMHO, but I had no desire to see him die, or even be replaced. In my mind Optimus was gone forever, and I had to accept the change (prior to obviously adverts of TROOP in late 86/early 87).
The fact that Smokescreen's life didn't follow exactly the path he may have wanted, was what warmed me up to him by the end of the series. Also, since the aligned continuity is still going, who's to say Smokescreen wont achieve some great status in time? I'd love to see his current status revealed as well as the rest of the crew from TFP related at some point in RiD15, whether that happens or not remains to be seen.
Posted by WreckerJack on March 21st, 2017 @ 2:13am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on March 21st, 2017 @ 9:30am CDT
TBH, I don't see younger people as lazy at all (well some are, but that can be said of anybody-middle-aged, older etc...) . One of my co-workers is 15 years younger than me, and is really good at what he does. The problem is, he does think a little too much of himself. Now not to toot my own horn, but I've NEVER been that prideful. To be fair though, I'm not going to use him as the label for all people his age, I know everyone is different. Whether he will humble with age or not remains to be seen.
With the case of the fictional character of Smokescreen in TFP however, I thought he did develop well over time. But honestly in looking back over the course of TFP, I can't say there was a single character I didn't like. Miko was probably closest -but seeing my daughter laugh at her antics endeared me to her somewhat, kind of like Sari in TFA. Had I not had kids, I would have hated both those characters simply based on their annoyance factor.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 21st, 2017 @ 9:36am CDT
Posted by Kurona on March 21st, 2017 @ 12:20pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 21st, 2017 @ 12:59pm CDT
He was okay, but still yet another stick-in-the-mud, which were a dime a dozen in this show.Kurona wrote:I personally liked Ultra Magnus the most,
Posted by o.supreme on March 21st, 2017 @ 1:16pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:He was okay, but still yet another stick-in-the-mud, which were a dime a dozen in this show.Kurona wrote:I personally liked Ultra Magnus the most,
Sure, but some people's "stick-in-the-mud" are others consistent, reliable, strong, characters worthy of admiration/imitation. I really like Prime in this series (which I know is incomprehensible to some).
If I had to pick a *favorite* Autobot it would be tough...I like them all, for various reasons, which is why I think this show is exceptional. Usually in every other incarnation, there will be one or two characters that resonate with me, and all the others are *meh" to dislikable.
Even all the Decepticons are pretty cool. Probably the one I like the least is Airrachnid, but I don't dislike her...just like her the least. Probably my least-liked Autobot was BB simply because of the whole Movie "beeping" attribute. In the end when Will Friedle became his VA, his character improved tenfold simply by that fact alone IMHO.
With Rid15 it's been Really difficult to choose a favorite. I like the show well enough, but none of the characters really resonate, and Optimus really isn't enough of a presence. Sure I know he's there, but to me he just really isn't part of the show...I know that makes no sense when I write it in this forum, but in my head it does. I guess my favorite so-far is Drift, he encompasses some of the qualities I aspire to, but not 100%...I'm Hoping season 3 introduces some new characters that I can evaluate.
Posted by PrymeStriker on March 21st, 2017 @ 2:10pm CDT
I feel like the weakest Autobots in Prime were the same three Autobots that were weakest in Animated, and I can say that with more confidence now that I'm towards the end of rewatching the latter. Optimus, Bumblebee, and Bulkhead. I'll give Animated points for giving these three personalities, no matter how cliche, overdone, uninteresting, and lazy they are, but Prime didn't even really manage that. All three of them were very blank characters. Arcee joined them in season three, but thankfully she was an interesting enough in her own right during the first two seasons to warrant the accolades she receives. She and Ratchet were the only characters worth watching on the Autobots side until Smokescreen showed up, unless Wheeljack made one of his guest appearances.
All that said, however, what I liked about Prime was its ability to give both the Autobots and Decepticons an equal hand in being justified fan favorites, unlike Animated or even Beast Wars in some select cases. Dreadwing, Knock Out, and Starscream were all characters I loved to watch, and share equal footing as the best characters in Prime alongside Smokescreen, Wheeljack, Ratchet, and Magnus. With Dreadwing, while I didn't like how they abruptly killed him off, his arc still came full circle and had a powerful moral to tell. "Betraying my kind is not the same as accepting yours" is still a kickass quote, because it not only shows that Dreadwing had the kind of honor to feel disappointed in the Decepticons but still not forgive the Autobots for what they've done to him, but it also teaches people that you don't necessarily have to choose a side. You can tell both sides to f*ck off and abide by your own morality. Meanwhile, Starscream's survival arc is still easily one of the best storylines in the show and Knock Out was both hilarious and fun to have around. That doesn't even account for Soundwave, who was easily the most menacing incarnation of the namesake, and Shockwave perhaps solely for David Sobolov's performance. Megatron even got his moment of salvation at the end of Predacons Rising, which was delightfully unusual.
So, in summation, Prime Seaspray is the best Transformers character ever and is the ultimate waifu.
Posted by Kurona on March 21st, 2017 @ 3:45pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:He was okay, but still yet another stick-in-the-mud, which were a dime a dozen in this show.Kurona wrote:I personally liked Ultra Magnus the most,
What was different about him for me compared to, say, Prime is that they actually kind of explored his character and you really felt how disconnected he felt for everyone; very much a fish out of water. It's a portrayal I rather enjoyed and connected with.
Posted by Sabrblade on March 21st, 2017 @ 4:17pm CDT
I can see that. Yeah, I'd say, of the stick-in-the-muds, he was one of, if the, best of them.Kurona wrote:Sabrblade wrote:He was okay, but still yet another stick-in-the-mud, which were a dime a dozen in this show.Kurona wrote:I personally liked Ultra Magnus the most,
What was different about him for me compared to, say, Prime is that they actually kind of explored his character and you really felt how disconnected he felt for everyone; very much a fish out of water. It's a portrayal I rather enjoyed and connected with.
Posted by WreckerJack on March 22nd, 2017 @ 12:41am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 22nd, 2017 @ 10:07am CDT
Yeah, on the Autobots side, I think the only ones who don't change at all are the three that PrymeStriker mentioned: Optimus (barring his Orion Pax episodes that simply reverted every change made to him in that three-parter), Bumblebee (him suddenly gaining a personality when he gets his voice back at the end doesn't count since he barely had a personality to begin with), and Bulkhead.WreckerJack wrote:I think a lot of the characters really changed over the series too. Like Ratchet going from not being able to stand humans but by the end he wants to stay on Earth a little longer. Smokescreen stops being so impulsive and learns to think more. Arcee learns to open up to her teammates despite her fear of loss.
And for Optimus it's a shame too, since the Orion Pax episodes were when he was at his most interesting in the whole series, showing more sides to himself and his personality than he ever did as Optimus Prime.
Posted by WreckerJack on March 22nd, 2017 @ 8:47pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, on the Autobots side, I think the only ones who don't change at all are the three that PrymeStriker mentioned: Optimus (barring his Orion Pax episodes that simply reverted every change made to him in that three-parter), Bumblebee (him suddenly gaining a personality when he gets his voice back at the end doesn't count since he barely had a personality to begin with), and Bulkhead.WreckerJack wrote:I think a lot of the characters really changed over the series too. Like Ratchet going from not being able to stand humans but by the end he wants to stay on Earth a little longer. Smokescreen stops being so impulsive and learns to think more. Arcee learns to open up to her teammates despite her fear of loss.
And for Optimus it's a shame too, since the Orion Pax episodes were when he was at his most interesting in the whole series, showing more sides to himself and his personality than he ever did as Optimus Prime.
I want to say KnockOut changed a little. He seemed to get sadder and sadder. From the way Starscream treated him, losing Breakdown and having his scientific projects get taken over by Shockwave. I think that was the reason he left.
I really would like to have seen more of what was going on with him and what happened after he betrayed Starscream in the movie. I think he has good in him but isn't necessarily a hero. He's one of the few that "plays by his own rules" and I wish I knew what happened to him after Beast Hunters.
Posted by o.supreme on March 23rd, 2017 @ 10:08am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 23rd, 2017 @ 10:27am CDT
His altmode CG model.o.supreme wrote:fan speculation/easter egg Knockout appearance in Rid15
Though, TF: Prime recycled that model a few times for other cars as well.
Posted by o.supreme on March 23rd, 2017 @ 11:00am CDT
There does seem to be some building story that the characters in TF Prime weren't exactly revered once Cybertron was repopulated and brought back to full thriving status. But in Decepticon Island when Ratchet was talking about those that "blamed" Prime for what happened previously rather then honoring him, you'd think Bumblebee (a law enforcement officer) would known about it, but he seemed to have no knowledge of this.
Then again Ratchet was sulking in a junkyard after the events of season 2, maybe knockout just decided to do the same thing sometime after Predacons Rising?
Posted by PrymeStriker on March 23rd, 2017 @ 11:45am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 23rd, 2017 @ 11:49am CDT
Posted by Kurona on March 23rd, 2017 @ 1:05pm CDT
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on May 9th, 2017 @ 12:58pm CDT
right before Jack Calls his mother you can see for one frame his phone background and it's of Arcee
took two photos in different size and brightness to see which looked better on screencap
Posted by Kurona on June 9th, 2017 @ 6:32pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 9th, 2017 @ 6:49pm CDT
Posted by Deadput on June 9th, 2017 @ 6:59pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Ironic how none of those episodes feature the Optimus/Megatron rivalry that the cover art implies.
Which is a big flaw with the show in general with regards to the Decepticons and their role or lack of besides to be defeated.
Posted by PrymeStriker on June 9th, 2017 @ 10:08pm CDT
Deadput wrote:Which is a big flaw with the show in general with regards to the Decepticons and their role or lack of besides to be defeated.
And to be good characters, unlike Animated
But yeah, this DVD is compeletly f*cked. These episodes have no correlation with each other, let alone anything having to do with rivalry besides "Metal Attraction"
Posted by Sabrblade on June 9th, 2017 @ 10:32pm CDT
I'd say that "Convoy" and "Nemesis Prime" best highlight the birth and ending of the conflict between Agent Fowler and Silas, along with the latter doing the whole Optimus/Nemesis thing.PrymeStriker wrote:Deadput wrote:Which is a big flaw with the show in general with regards to the Decepticons and their role or lack of besides to be defeated.
And to be good characters, unlike Animated
But yeah, this DVD is compeletly f*cked. These episodes have no correlation with each other, let alone anything having to do with rivalry besides "Metal Attraction"
"The Human Factor" also showed Bulkhead's one-sided brief rivalry with Smokescreen, and reminded us of his rivalry with Breakdown in his battle against Cylas.
As for "Tunnel Vision", I suppose someone thought there might have been a small rivalry between Knock Out and Bumblebee, what with them both being the small car members of their respective factions and their having fought each other a few times previously, but if not that, then I got nothing for this ep's inclusion.
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on June 9th, 2017 @ 10:37pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 9th, 2017 @ 10:40pm CDT
Could be a factory sample.GalvatronG1 wrote:Hey....can anyone tell me about this version of Ripclaw, I never saw it before i got as a present, the colors are weird, and has the beta logo
Though, this thread is for the cartoon, not the toys.
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on June 9th, 2017 @ 10:59pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Could be a factory sample.GalvatronG1 wrote:Hey....can anyone tell me about this version of Ripclaw, I never saw it before i got as a present, the colors are weird, and has the beta logo
Though, this thread is for the cartoon, not the toys.
ohh....my bad, I screwed up here, Sorry everyone,
Posted by WreckerJack on September 12th, 2017 @ 11:07pm CDT
Posted by DeathReviews on September 13th, 2017 @ 8:53am CDT
Posted by Sarahthecutevixen on September 13th, 2017 @ 10:29am CDT
DeathReviews wrote:It is curious that they're grunting out another pared down DVD mini set from a series that was cancelled years ago. Like the people who enjoyed the series don't have all the full season DVD sets already?
Gotta milk the cow till nothing but dust comes out